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Delta Eyes Major Widebody RFP For 747/767 Replacements

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  1. Derg

    Derg Major Domo Staff Member

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    Delta Eyes Major Widebody RFP For 747/767 Replacements
    Aviation Daily
    Mar 12, 2014 , p. 1.01
    Jens Flottau


    Delta Air Lines plans to issue a request for proposals (RFP) for new
    longhaul aircraft that will replace all of the airline’s Boeing 747-400s
    and a significant part of the 767-300ER fleets.

    The RFP will go out before the end of the month and Delta could decide
    before the end of the year. Amongst other types, the airline is showing
    a strong interest in the proposed Airbus A330NEO.

    “I hope they (Airbus) do offer an A330NEO,” Delta CEO Richard Anderson
    told Aviation Week in Atlanta. “There is a huge need for a small
    widebody. We really need Airbus to step up and re-engine.”

    Anderson is pushing for a new 275-seat aircraft that would have a range
    of 5,000-5,500 naut. mi. He argues that “aircraft that underfly their
    range are uneconomical. You cannot make a 777 consistently profitable
    flying only East Coast to Europe. That would be routes 1,000 or 2,000
    naut. mi. shorter than what it was designed for.”

    Delta currently has 16 Boeing 747-400s in the fleet, the oldest of which
    have been delivered in 1989 (to what was then Northwest). The airline is
    looking at replacing them before the next D-checks are due towards the
    end of this decade.

    Delta also wants to start the replacement cycle for its 58 767-300ERs,
    although for this type deliveries span over a longer period from 1990 to
    2001. Combining the 747 replacement and a large part of the 767-300ER
    fleet leads to a requirement of an estimated 50 widebodies.

    The carrier plans to look at four options: The Airbus A350-900 and
    -1000, all three models of the Boeing 787, the current versions of the
    A330 and a re-engined A330.

    Delta is not looking at the 777X. “We don’t want experimental
    airplanes,” says Anderson. “We are not interested in it.”

    Delta has a history of caution when it comes to new aircraft types and
    its fleet strategy differs compared to many other carriers in that it
    tends to keep aircraft longer. In spite of the traditional caution,
    Anderson believes Delta now has “good visibility” about the A350 and
    787, enough to make a decision at this stage. “Both are pretty well down
    the road now,” Anderson says and points out that Delta can draw upon
    operational experience by its partner carriers Aeromexico and Virgin
    Atlantic on the 787 side.

    The company has ordered ten A330-300s in the increased 242 tons MTOW
    version which are to be delivered from mid-2015. It also operates 21
    lower MTOW A330-300s and eleven A330-200s. Anderson argues that a
    reengined A330 would find high demand for use on transatlantic routes,
    intra-Asia and even some West Coast to Asia flying.

    Airbus has entered talks with General Electric, Rolls-Royce and Pratt &
    Whitney about a re-engining of the A330, but has not yet made a
    decision. The backlog currently stands at 258 aircaft taking production
    into 2016 at the current rate of ten aircraft per month. The program
    could, however, receive a significant boost through a major order for
    potentially more than 100 aircraft from various Chinese airlines. It is
    unclear whether the Chinese order would include commitments for the
    re-engined aircraft. “Boeing made a mistake in not coming up with an
    answer for the 767 and 757 market,” he says. While the A330 and 787 are
    candidates for part of the 767 missions, “there is no obvious
    replacement for the 757.” Delta plans to reduce the 757 fleet to around
    90 aircraft by 2018.

    Another gap Delta would like to fill is a good 115-120-seat aircraft,
    slightly larger than the Boeing 717s that is currently taking over from
    AirTran. “The 737-700 is not economical and the -800 is too large,”
    Anderson says. One option could be the Bombardier C-Series and Delta has
    looked at the geared turbofan (GTF) engine in particular. “Our engineers
    have a lot of confidence in that gearbox,” Anderson says. “But we want
    to see the aircraft in the marketplace” before placing an order.
     
  2. Cessnaflyer

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    Come on Boeing!
     
  3. Seggy

    Seggy Well-Known Member

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    Screaming_Emu English Profishunt

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    Strange that they're willing to look at the A350 but not the 777X because its "experimental." Yeah the 350 is flying, but not for particularly long.
     
  5. Cessnaflyer

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    I have a feeling the 777x would be a slightly better start up program than the A350
     
  6. Dan208B

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    Exactly. That will likely be much better. The article makes it pretty clear they're more interested in an A330 NEO than an A350 though.
     
  7. WestIndian425

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    That would make sense since the 777 is redesign of an existing airplane and the A350 is a clean sheet design. That being said, the A350 seems to be progressing along quite nicely.
     
  8. MikeD

    MikeD Administrator Staff Member

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    Everyday here at MZJ, I look across the runway at Delta's 767-200s and non-ERs, as well as a good chunk of 757s and DC-9s sitting in the desert sans engines; some of which are being towed back this way to the scrapping area and being taken apart as we speak.
     
  9. Trip7

    Trip7 Stay Schemin...

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    The 777X was basically designed for Emirates, which was longing for a high capacity ultra long range jet. It has way too much range for Delta's needs. It's also experimental in the fact that the wingspan is so long the wing tips will have to be folded in mechanically before parking.
     
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  10. MikeD

    MikeD Administrator Staff Member

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    The Navy carrier qualed guys Delta should be used to that. :)
     
  11. Derg

    Derg Major Domo Staff Member

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    You mean that endomorphic pilot with the straight-armed milspec sunglasses sitting in the corner of the pilot lounge that hasn't been on a boat in 30 years? :)

    Oh yeah!
     
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    Only in ATL though, right? Not at the other bases? :)
     
  13. PropDriver

    PropDriver Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. It's too much plane for Delta. Even the A350 is too much plane if they want a true small wide body replacement. Although, the A350 or 777-300ER is a great 747 replacement.
     
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    Sounds like they need the 787 or the 330NEO
     
  15. Nick

    Nick Well-Known Member

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    The board will be talked into making an order when Airbus comes out with a version of the A-330-300 that features a gigantic pair of brass balls, pickup truck style, hanging from a little hitch by the main gear doors.
     
  16. mastermags

    mastermags Well-Known Member *giggity*

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    In other news, Boeing rolls out plans for the new 737-6000ERETOPS as a superefficient replacement for the 757, 767, 747 and DC8. A prototype is scheduled to take to the skies by 2054 using natural gas and pressurized vodka as its main fuel source.



    BTW, this Sixpoint Hires is an excellent brew!
     
  17. Maximillian_Jenius

    Maximillian_Jenius Large Member

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    Okay, I'm done!

    @Minuteman
     
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    Minuteman “Dongola”

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    Yeah, but he also said the 737-700 was inefficient, 737-800 was too big (for routes that benefit from the 717). It must be great to be an airline CEO. You get to be a dick to everyone until you get forced into leaving.

    Anyway, you heard it here first: Blue Horseshoe likes the Comac C919 and its little brother ARJ21. ;)

    640px-COMAC_ARJ21_Gu.jpg
     
  19. H46Bubba

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    This was more than a school house rumor Seggy!;) IMHO I see a fleet of A350, A330NEO, a few 787(if the bugs ever get worked out) and the C-Series. Southerjets is looking to spur Boeing and/or Airbus to come up with an aircraft to fill the shoes of the 757.
     
  20. Maximillian_Jenius

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    C-series cannot successfully do the mission of the 757! The C-series is far more considered competition for the 737, A320's and ERJ-145's.
     

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